Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 02:09 am Post subject: If Obama wins nomination we lose
Notice I'm from MA, a very blue state. We have an African American Governor. We elected and re-elected an African American Senator for many terms. Most of the population in the most heavily populated portions of New Hampshire are transplants from Massachusetts. Clinton won both primary elections. With nice margins.
Obama will not win if nominated!
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I will tell you this, that nut McCain is going out of his way to alienate his base. The flap about the North Carolina ad is just a start. He asked that they, the North Carolina republican party withdraw it, which was aired for local purposes. They refused. I really can't figure this guy out. This shit about Rev. Wright has been all over the place. Even Hillary has been making hay with it. Sometimes, if your are in politics, making nice is really not the road to take, especially when the other side is not going to do it, rest assured.
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 03:31 am Post subject:
I do not know - there are still a lot of bigoted folks in the country and November will bring out the groups who have money regardless of McCain Feingold.
He will go after Reagan Democrats and Independents in the big states including the ones that Mrs. Clinton won. IMHO
Regarding "who can beat McCain," it does not matter which Democrat wins the nomination. Senator McCain has as much chance of winning the election as my cat Phoebe (who is, by the way, a calico.) The reason the race looks "close" now is that McCain is running as fast as he can and nobody is running against him at this point. When Obama locks up the nomination, he will bury McCain in ads, money, and everything else. (That is, if Sen. McCain's campaign survives the two District Court challenges to his Panama problem, the problems regarding his history of adultery, his age, his cancer, lack of cash for his campaign, violation of campaign finance law, and the fact that he is clueless about just about everything without Joe Lieberman whispering in his ear.)
Touche' if that is what you call disagreeing with your partiy on certain issues. Lieberman was only the democrats pick for VP with algore. The republicans should have gift wrapped McCain to the democrats years ago and been rid of him, but the democrats don't cotton well to mavericks. Another fine example of this was his criticism of the Katrina mess, where in an abstract way, he castigated Wubya and his fellow republicans, leaving out the Mayor of NO and the governor of Louisana. Oh Well.
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 01:17 am Post subject: Don't Let President Bush off the hook for Katrina.
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Another fine example of this was his criticism of the Katrina mess, where in an abstract way, he castigated Wubya and his fellow republicans, leaving out the Mayor of NO and the governor of Louisana. Oh Well.
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I returned to the New Orleans area two days after the storm. Yes, the idiot Mayor of New Orleans and the incompetent Governor of Louisiana (who has, thankfully, been replaced), both Democrats, bear a huge responsibility for what happened in New Orleans and southeast Louisiana.
But that does not let President Bush off the hook for appointing the political hack- incompetent former Horse Show Association Director as the boss of FEMA (You’re doing a great job Brownie.”). Katrina flooded New Orleans on Monday and it took until Friday for the people to be evacuated from the Convention Center and the Superdome. Meanwhile, President Bush did not think people drowning and sitting on their roofs waiting for rescue merited disrupting his vacation. Most of those people were saved by the police, fire department, state Wildlife Agents, individual citizens and the Coast Guard.
The people of this region are very thankful for the federal help that came our way after the storm. The Coast Guard performed magnificently and the military did well once they were here in force. But there was definitely a lack of leadership shown by President Bush and FEMA director Brown. Brown’s emails from the period show that his main concern was how he looked on television and where he was going to eat that evening. All of this is happening while flood water is destroying much of New Orleans.
Most people think that Iraq caused President Bush’s popularity to fall. However, the significant and steady decline started post-Katrina. Before Katrina, the thinking on President Bush was that, he is not be the best President but at least he has shown he can handle a crisis. After Katrina, this image was shattered. I mean, he appointed a horse show association director to run FEMA while, at the same time, telling us that we have to be prepared for a terrorist attack!
While I don't disagree with President Bush on every issue, McCain is doing the right thing politically by distancing himself from President Bush on his immediate Katrina response. _________________ Crescent City
I have pointed out many times here, I am no Bush admirer. But I still stand by what I said, don't lay it all on him, the Mayor and Governor were a disgrace, and if you stand by and wait for the government to take care of you, you in trouble. Take care of yourself, which everyone should have, because they had plenty of warning. Crescent City, I'm really sick of blaming someone else for our shortcomings. We used to be a great country, and need to get back there.
I have pointed out many times here, I am no Bush admirer. But I still stand by what I said, don't lay it all on him, the Mayor and Governor were a disgrace, and if you stand by and wait for the government to take care of you, you in trouble. Take care of yourself, which everyone should have, because they had plenty of warning. Crescent City, I'm really sick of blaming someone else for our shortcomings. We used to be a great country, and need to get back there.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject:
Right, and all those poor people should have just gotten into their SUVs and Caddies and driven to ... oh, Miami or somewhere safe...instead of standing on their roofs or dying in nursing homes/hospitals or the Convention Center.
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:25 am Post subject: Why Bush deserves blame.
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I have pointed out many times here, I am no Bush admirer. But I still stand by what I said, don't lay it all on him, the Mayor and Governor were a disgrace, and if you stand by and wait for the government to take care of you, you in trouble.
I did not lay all the blame on President Bush. I said that the Mayor of New Orleans was an idiot and the governor was incompetent. I put much of the blame on them. They performed poorly but so did Bush. One of his key jobs is to appoint competent people to important jobs. In appointing Michael D. Brown as FEMA director, he failed miserably. A more competent FEMA Director may have been able to somewhat ameliorate the incompetence of the Mayor and Governor. From all available evidence, he appointed an incompetent political hack to one of the most important offices in the country given the terrorist threat. There are many appointive jobs in the federal government for political hacks but FEMA director should not have been one of them. President Bush has to take the blame for this dumb appointment and I will give them credit for moving quickly to get rid of him after Katrina.
Take care of yourself, which everyone should have, because they had plenty of warning. Crescent City, I'm really sick of blaming someone else for our shortcomings.
After Katrina, the dirty laundry of New Orleans was exposed to the world. A large portion of our population was living in pretty severe poverty. Even those who had jobs were often paycheck to paycheck. I evacuated from New Orleans but I am a middle class person like you. I had resources and vehicles. Without these things, evacuation is not as easy as you make it out to be. I’m no wild eyed liberal and I’m all for self-sufficiency but I try not to go around with blinders on regarding the economic reality of some of our citizens. _________________ Crescent City
We'll I guess we have to learn to take care of ourselves. Maybe too difficult for a lot of us, but let's not give up. And for all you Obama supporters out there, don't give up, he will reach a point where he will self destruct and you will be free.
I have pointed out many times here, I am no Bush admirer. But I still stand by what I said, don't lay it all on him, the Mayor and Governor were a disgrace, and if you stand by and wait for the government to take care of you, you in trouble. Take care of yourself, which everyone should have, because they had plenty of warning. Crescent City, I'm really sick of blaming someone else for our shortcomings. We used to be a great country, and need to get back there.
As someone who is both disabled and poor, I have a different take than the usual conventional (politically correct) rhetoric on this. From what I understand, anyone living in NO should have been well aware of the risk from severe hurricanes and the risk of inadequate levees. I believe this was made clear repeatedly, over many, many years. So, as is the case in many other areas where people want and choose to live in nice places that are at risk from natural disasters, people were taking a gamble. If those living there (or in any risky locations) realize that they would have trouble evacuating quickly or otherwise getting through a disaster, they perhaps should have moved elsewhere if they didn't want to assume this risk. Since retrospectively so many say so definitively that many such persons were simply unable to leave (leaving aside the many who apparently just didn't want to leave or didn't believe the warnings) those who were in this situation and those who knew or cared for or about them should have known this (except for, say, cognitively impaired citizens).
To not hold such persons at least a little responsible for making choices that resulted in a bad gamble is really to treat these adults as if they are children, which, after all, is the general liberal position, isn't it?
Note, I am not a conservative or a liberal, because I like to arrive at my own positions on issues and questions on an individual basis. But since liberals are the ones who go on the most about the importance of Reason, science and critical thinking, they are especially worthy of being singled out for the intellectual bankruptcy of so many of their positions and their underlying ideology. _________________ "Ask and You Shall Receive"
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject:
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So, as is the case in many other areas where people want and choose to live in nice places that are at risk from natural disasters, people were taking a gamble.
Where in the US (or the world) can a person live and escape potential disasters? The Gulf & East coasts have hurricanes, the west has earthquakes and mudslides, the midwest has tornados, the north has blizzards and every area is vunerable to flooding. Name one place that is not at risk from some type of severe weather.
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If those living there (or in any risky locations) realize that they would have trouble evacuating quickly or otherwise getting through a disaster, they perhaps should have moved elsewhere if they didn't want to assume this risk.
Your statement is illogical - if they don't have the means to evacuate for a hurricane, how would they have the means to relocate their entire lives?
I grew up in South Louisiana and still have family & friends in the area. If you have not lived there, it is difficult to understand the dynamics of the government and the culture.
Sandy is quite right and her assessment analogizes very well to disabilities. I often encounter those (including ALJs) who actively dislike the lack of "responsibility" taken by the disabled. They use the "but for" argument to shift the blame for the disability to the disabled. It is a justification for a "hard line." Is the opposite of compassion.
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Where in the US (or the world) can a person live and escape potential disasters? The Gulf & East coasts have hurricanes, the west has earthquakes and mudslides, the midwest has tornados, the north has blizzards and every area is vunerable to flooding. Name one place that is not at risk from some type of severe weather.
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If those living there (or in any risky locations) realize that they would have trouble evacuating quickly or otherwise getting through a disaster, they perhaps should have moved elsewhere if they didn't want to assume this risk.
Your statement is illogical - if they don't have the means to evacuate for a hurricane, how would they have the means to relocate their entire lives?
I grew up in South Louisiana and still have family & friends in the area. If you have not lived there, it is difficult to understand the dynamics of the government and the culture.[/quote]
Risk is a relative matter. There are people who insist on living along rivers that flood fairly often and wipe out homes. Then many of them expect the government, i.e. the people of this country, to bail them out; in effect subsidizing their risk taking. There are areas that are at much lower levels of such catastrophic risks.
Deciding to relocate is not the same problem (maybe different problems) as being able to evacuate a city or area on very short notice. Here, in Maryland, many poor and disabled people are going to have to relocate at some point just in order to survive, and I have so advised local government and suggested they start creating programs to help the poor and disabled (mentally ill in particular) relocate to more affordable, manageable places. Naturally, they are not interested, saying this isn't the role or job of a county or state, but the economic writing is on the wall, as the poor continually grow poorer, with little room to spare.
You also ignore the substantial number who chose to stay, i.e. were stubborn, or simply didn't believe the government or the experts (University researchers, etc.)warnings about Katrina or the levees. People stayed for a lot of reasons, including not wanting to abandon property or pets - perhaps understandable, but one with fairly predictable consequences. _________________ "Ask and You Shall Receive"
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